Should PBA change goaltending rules? Coaches have mixed feelings

Rey Joble, InterAKTV · Monday, October 29, 2012 · 7:48 pm

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After controversy about goaltending rules brought about by confusion over San Mig Coffee center Rafi Reavis’ game-saving swipe against Barako Bull on Sunday, coaches had different reactions when asked about whether the PBA should revise its rules.
Alaska coach Luigi Trillo said game officials should be lauded for making the correct call.
“First of all, I’d like to commend the referees for the non-call because that play made by Reavis was legal,” said Trillo.
“There were instances when Adam Parada, our import last season, tapped the ball while the ball is still bouncing or rolling on the cylinder of the rim during the last free throw attempt.”
But Trillo admitted that he wants a return to the old PBA rules, when a player couldn’t touch the ball while it’s still above the cylinder of the rim.
“But moving forward, I would want to remove it than keep it because it takes away the beauty of the game. Imagine, that could have been a game-winning play,” he said.
Rain or Shine coach Yeng Guiao echoed Trillo’s thoughts.
“This rule was implemented so that PBA players get the feel of the international rule,” Guiao told InterAKTV.
“Pero ang rationale ko nga diyan, yung ball on downward path nga tinatawagan nila ng goaltending, why would you not call goaltending on a play where the ball has a chance of going in? It defeats the purpose of a shot and it deprives a player or a team of scoring. For me, the PBA should start thinking of abolishing this rule.”
No time to revise
But Meralco coach Ryan Gregorio, who coached Reavis at Purefoods, has no problem with carrying on with the goaltending rules.
“I don’t think we have time to revisit or revise any of our rules now. It’s a rule which wasn’t done overnight,” said Gregorio.
“Dinatnan na ni Commissioner yan, unlike a rule which he implemented just recently where a player diving for the loose ball can stand up and not being called a travelling. That one is an experiment.”
The goaltending rule was put in place during the term of former commissioner Sonny Barrios.
“This rule about a player tapping the ball while it’s still on the cylinder is something we’ve seen several times already. It’s just about a player or a team finding their edge to make that play. It just so happened that Rafi Reavis had the presence of mind to tap the ball out while it was still on the rim and it just so happened that it came during the critical stage of the match — a win or lose situation,” added Gregorio.
“In my opinion, mas magkakagulo yun if the refs counted the basket because there’s already an existing rule that once the ball hits the rim, it’s already a live ball.”
Air 21 coach Franz Pumaren, meanwhile, noted that teams who are familiar with the rule have always taken advantage of it. A former national player in the 1980s, Pumaren said the Philippine team’s naturalized players used to do that in FIBA competition.
“It’s just a matter of strategy. We’ve been doing that ever since we were playing in the NCC. Sina Jeff Moore and Dennis Still would do that, tapping the ball out while it’s still bouncing or rolling the cylinder,” said Pumaren.
“We adopted that as well when I was coaching La Salle. Sina Rico Maierhofer ginagawa rin nila yan before. Maybe Barako is not fully aware on the details of that rule.”

source: http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/should-pba-change-goaltending-rules-coaches-have-mixed-feelings

Did Reavis touch ring? Villanueva explains bone of contention over 'goaltending' non-call By Karlo Sacamos

Barako Bull forward Enrico Villanueva, pictured protesting the non-call on Rafi Reavis' game-saving play, is right in pointing out that the San Mig center should have been called for goaltending if his hand had come into contact with either the rim or the net. Jerome Ascano

DID Rafi Reavis touch the rim when he made the game-saving play that preserved San Mig Coffee's 92-91 victory over Barako Bull on Sunday night?
Barako Bull big man Enrico Villanueva posed the question on Monday as he explained his vigorous opposition to the non-call on Reavis' 'goaltending' violation that marred the final moments of the PBA Philippine Cup match.
The 6-5 Energy Cola forward was at the center of the dispute, having taken the potential game-winning shot for Barako Bull in the closing seconds which Reavis tapped away while the ball was clearly above the cylinder.
Villanueva said he was very much aware of the Fiba rule which allows players to touch the ball after the first bounce - a rule which the PBA has adopted and has since enforced since the 2006-2007 season.
But Villanueva said his bone of contention was that if Reavis' hand had any contact with either the rim or the net while making the game-saving play, the San Mig center should have been called for goaltending.
“I’m aware of the rule. I just felt that it wasn’t done properly,” Villanueva told Spin.ph on Monday.
“I might be mistaken but what I thought was that a player can’t hit or touch any part of the basket when doing it. It has to be clearly an above-the-rim swipe. If they reviewed it and it was clear (that Reavis did not touch the basket) then I have no qualms about it at all.”
Top league officials confirmed to Spin.ph that Villanueva was right: If Reavis' hand had any contact with the basket during the play, the referees should've called a goaltending violation on the San Mig center.
Villanueva also had a good vantage point on the play and therefore his question is valid.
However, his contention may be moot and academic since Barako Bull management has decided against putting the game under protest or seeking a second review of the play through replays.
See related story: Barako Bull decides against filing protest
Meanwhile, other players have their own opinions on the controversial play.
Rain or Shine’s Gabe Norwood stood by the referess’ non-call. “I thought it was a clean play. Rafi has been doing that for years now. Even guys like (former Alaska import) Diamon Simpson were doing the same thing.”
The high-leaping 6-foot-5 Norwood added that the rule has also come in handy for him in the past.
“I have no problem with the rule. I’ve had many putbacks and offensive rebounds that would have been offensive goaltending if the rules were different and never heard anyone complain before.”
While Barangay Ginebra’s Dylan Ababou is in favor of the rule, he thinks what Reavis did was illegal.
“Aware ako (sa rule), pero hindi legal yung ginawa ni Reavis kasi ang kuwento sa akin nasa rim pa daw yung bola so hindi siya dapat galawin.”
“Okay lang yun rule basta wala ng contact yung bola sa rim, pwede na tapikin,” the former University of Santo Tomas stalwart added.

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sOURCE: http://www.spin.ph/sports/basketball/news/did-reavis-touch-ring-villanueva-explains-bone-of-contention-over-goaltending-non-call

Barako Bull decides against filing protest By Gerry Ramos

Commissioner Chito Salud was confronted by Barako Bull players Josh Urbiztondo, left, and Rico Villanueva (partly hidden) at the end of the game. Jerome Ascano

NO protest was filed by Barako Bull over the 'goaltending' controversy that cost the team a win against San Mig Coffee in their PBA Philippine Cup encounter on Sunday night.
Coach Junel Baculi said management decided not to file a formal protest, but the coaches met with Commissioner Chito Salud on Monday afternoon to seek clarification on the league's goaltending rule.
In a text message, Baculi said, “we had a meeting with commissioner Salud. Clarify the rules, but did not file a protest.”
The play in question was the tap made by Rafi Reavies on Enrico Villanueva’s potential game-winning basket in the waning seconds of the tightly-fought game at the Smart-Araneta Coliseum.
Reavies touched the ball while it was still clearly above the cylinder, a move which Barako Bull officials said was an obvious goaltending. The Energy Cola lost the game, 91-92.
However, Salud pointed out that the league has since the 2006-2007 season adopted the Fiba rule on goaltending, which allows players to touch the ball after the first bounce on the rim.

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BOX SCORE San Mig Coffee Mixers vs Barako Bull

2012-2013 Philippine Cup
Eliminations: October 28, 2012	Game # 28
Venue: Smart Araneta Coliseum	Referees: N.Quilinguen, R.Yante, J.Ferrer.

Team	Record	1st	2nd	3rd	4th	Total
San Mig Coffee	3-2	17	25	24	26	92
Barako Bull	2-4	24	24	13	30	91

San Mig Coffee
				3-Points			Field Goals			Freethrows				Rebounds
#	S	Player	Mins	M	A	PCT	M	A	PCT	M	A	PCT	Pts	Tot	Off	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF
18	G	James Yap	36	2	6	0.333	8	19	0.421	3	4	0.750	21	4	0	0	0	0	0	1
8		Peter June Simon	28	0	1	0.000	7	15	0.467	1	1	1.000	15	3	1	2	1	0	1	1
17		Aldrech Ramos	13	1	2	0.500	3	4	0.750	3	4	0.750	10	2	1	0	0	0	3	1
15		Marc Pingris	26	0	0	0.000	2	3	0.667	5	7	0.714	9	5	2	2	1	0	0	2
5	F	Wesley Gonzales	17	3	4	0.750	3	5	0.600	0	0	0.000	9	1	1	3	0	0	0	0
14		Mark Barroca	26	0	0	0.000	3	4	0.750	3	3	1.000	9	2	0	4	2	0	0	4
95	C	Yancy de Ocampo	29	0	0	0.000	3	5	0.600	2	2	1.000	8	8	2	2	0	0	2	1
38		Joe Devance	17	1	4	0.250	2	7	0.286	0	0	0.000	5	1	0	3	0	0	0	1
4	F	Rafi Reavis	25	0	0	0.000	2	4	0.500	1	2	0.500	5	7	3	1	0	1	1	2
3	G	Jonas Villanueva	23	0	1	0.000	0	5	0.000	1	2	0.500	1	3	0	1	0	0	0	2
Team														2	1				1
Total				7	18	0.389	33	71	0.465	19	25	0.783	92	38	11	18	4	1	7	15

Barako Bull
				3-Points			Field Goals			Freethrows				Rebounds
#	S	Player	Mins	M	A	PCT	M	A	PCT	M	A	PCT	Pts	Tot	Off	Ast	Stl	Blk	TO	PF
71	G	Ronald Tubid	39	3	10	0.300	6	14	0.429	2	3	0.667	17	3	1	3	0	0	0	1
23	F	Enrico Villanueva	24	0	0	0.000	7	11	0.636	2	2	1.000	16	6	2	5	0	0	0	5
2	G	Joshua Urbiztondo	39	2	6	0.333	5	11	0.455	2	2	1.000	14	4	2	8	3	0	3	2
18		Doug Kramer	20	0	0	0.000	6	10	0.600	0	0	0.000	12	6	3	0	0	0	2	2
88	C	Mick Pennisi	39	2	9	0.222	4	11	0.364	2	2	1.000	12	9	2	3	0	0	2	3
14	F	Leo Najorda	22	1	2	0.500	3	7	0.429	2	2	1.000	9	8	2	1	0	1	2	3
13		Roger Yap	17	1	1	1.000	2	3	0.667	0	0	0.000	5	3	2	3	2	0	1	1
21		Sean Anthony	15	0	2	0.000	2	6	0.333	0	0	0.000	4	1	0	4	0	0	2	2
10		Reil Cervantes	6	0	1	0.000	1	4	0.250	0	0	0.000	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	0
5		Lester Alvarez	9	0	1	0.000	0	2	0.000	0	0	0.000	0	0	0	0	0	0	1	2
17		Jason Ballesteros	10	0	0	0.000	0	1	0.000	0	0	0.000	0	4	1	0	0	1	0	2
Team														2	1				1
Total				9	32	0.281	36	80	0.450	10	11	0.909	91	46	16	27	5	2	13	23

‘Face of the PBA’ James Yap fined P6k after ejection, escapes suspension

Rey Joble, InterAKTV · Monday, October 29, 2012 · 9:43 am

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PBA commissioner Chito Salud moved up his meeting with James Yap to Sunday night, meting a P6,000 fine to the San Mig Coffee superstar for incidents that happened in their game against Rain or Shine last Wednesday. But the two-time Most Valuable Player escaped suspension.
“Because of the long lull that happened last night (Sunday) as another issue needed to be resolved, I talked to James Yap regarding his actions during their game against Rain or Shine and reminded him about that,” Salud told InterAKTV.
“I told him about his responsibility of being the face of the PBA and because of that, he must always keep his cool.”
Yap was ejected from the match after a flagrant foul on Rain or Shine defensive specialist in the fourth quarter of their matchup. Because Yap was called for a technical foul earlier in the game — a second motion also against Ibañes — his flagrant became a disqualifying foul, leading him to being thrown out.
“He admitted na napikon siya,” said Salud. “Because his mind went out of the game, he was not able to help his team in the crucial stretch. But he promised he won’t do that again.”
Yap was assessed a fine of P5,000 for the flagrant foul and P1,000 for technical foul.

Source: http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/face-of-the-pba-james-yap-fined-p6k-after-ejection-escapes-suspension

Why Rafi Reavis’ tip was legal: A look at the FIBA rules on goaltending and interference

Jaemark Tordecilla, InterAKTV · Monday, October 29, 2012 · 12:49 am

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On Sunday night, members of the Barako Bull Energy Colas were up in arms over their 92-91 loss to the San Mig Coffee Mixers. They were contending that Mixers center Rafi Reavis had committed a goaltending violation on the potential game-winning shot by Enrico Villanueva.
But the PBA explained that Reavis’ move was legal, since the league adopted FIBA rules on goaltending five years ago. A look at the actual FIBA rules bears out the PBA’s position.
Goaltending and Interference is covered in Article 31 of the Official Basketball Rules.
Sections 31.2.1 and 31.2.2 define what constitutes goaltending:

31.2.1 Goaltending occurs during a shot for a field goal when a player touches the ball while it is completely above the level of the ring and:
– It is on its downward flight to the basket, or
– After it has touched the backboard.
31.2.2 Goaltending occurs during a shot for a free throw when a player touches the ball while it is in flight to the basket and before it touches the ring.

These goaltending restrictions apply until the conditions defined in section 31.2.3:

31.2.2 The goaltending restrictions apply until:
– The ball no longer has the possibility of entering the basket.
– The ball has touched the ring.

There is some vagueness over how the two conditions are written; just by reading it on its face, one can interpret that both conditions must become true, or that only one condition has to be true.
In practice, however, the spirit of the rules become clearer. For example, imagine a shot that ends up being an airball. You can grab and tip the ball after an airball, even if the ball never touched the ring.
In this case, only the first condition becomes true, but it still leads to the lifting of the goaltending restrictions.
This means that only one condition needs to be true for goaltending restrictions to be lifted. This makes it legal for players to touch the ball as soon as it has touched the ring.
On Twitter, Barako Bull forward Sean Anthony cited another part of the rules, which reads: “No player shall touch the ball after it has touched the ring while it still has the possibility of entering the basket.”
That sentence is part of section 31.2.5, which reads:

31.2.5 When
– An official blows the whistle while the ball is in the hands of a player in the act
of shooting, or the ball is in flight on a shot for a field goal,
– The game clock signal sounds for the end of a period while the ball is in flight
on a shot for a field goal,
No player shall touch the ball after it has touched the ring while it still has the possibility of entering the basket.
All restrictions related to goaltending and interference shall apply.

The sentence highlighted by Anthony only applies during the first two conditions: when an official blows the whistle on or after an attempt (i.e., an and-1 play), or when the clock sounds after an attempt.
Neither of these conditions applied to Villanueva’s shot. This means that it doesn’t matter whether or not the ball has a chance to go in.
Rafi Reavis’ swipe was a perfectly legal move; it wasn’t goaltending.
Jaemark Tordecilla is the managing editor of InterAKTV.

source: http://www.interaksyon.com/interaktv/why-rafi-reavis-swip-was-legal-a-look-at-the-fiba-rules-on-goaltending-and-interference